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You have a reporting center?

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Calling from Los Angeles.

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Yes.

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I've got to make this fairly short because I've got to get back to my doctors at 2.30.

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The FAA and the Air Force gave me this number.

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Yes.

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And I'd like to report something that happened to my girlfriend and I last night to Panga Canyon.

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Okay, would you describe it please?

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And by the way, we called the Malibu police and they said that three other people had reported similar things.

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It's nothing that's part imagining.

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Okay.

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We were driving up Coast Highway number one, Pacific Coast Highway.

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Are you familiar with that area?

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Yes, I am.

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And we backtracked and went inside to go up to Panga Canyon Road, which is a...

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It goes pretty high up into the Canyon Country.

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Do you know where Panga Canyon is?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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There's a place where old Panga Canyon goes to...

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New Panga Canyon is.

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There's a real high ledge that goes deep, deep down.

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You overlook the canyon.

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Okay.

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At any rate, it gets weirder as it goes on.

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Out of nowhere, appeared over our car a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant light that was hovering about, I'd say, 50 feet on top of our car.

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Okay.

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And at first we thought it was a helicopter, a police helicopter or something, except that we realized that we didn't hear any sound.

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And we looked up and we could see clearly the defined shape of a...

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A pie-shaped object, a saucer.

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I mean, I hate to use that term.

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Okay.

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A saucer type object.

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There was a rim.

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We could see a rim.

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And then within the rim was this just one big, brilliant, brilliant light that kept shining on our car.

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Okay.

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Was this like a beam of light?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Was that in the form of a beam or a cone?

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Um, it was a wide cone.

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Okay.

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A wide cone.

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Okay.

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Levered, or I'd say a good, maybe 50 feet in diameter.

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Okay.

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But it was very, very bright.

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At any rate, we turned the car around and we decided to go back down the canyon and this damn thing kept following us.

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It kept...at the speed we were going, at the same speed we were going, it was following us.

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It was above our car, about 50 feet, I'd say.

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And we kept looking up and it kept...it was there.

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And if we would go faster, it would go faster.

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If we would slow down, it would slow down.

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And we had the distinct impression that it was pursuing us.

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The only noise that I could...I felt that we could hear was the sound that a transformer would make.

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Like a hum.

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All right.

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A high-pitched hum.

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Okay.

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Then I told my girlfriend, we'd better get out of here.

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So I accelerated the car, but you gotta be very careful not to pan the canyon because it's a very windy...it's a very windy road.

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And when I tried to accelerate the car, my engine went out.

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The lights went out, everything went out.

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Okay.

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And we got out of the car thinking that we were going to run away.

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I'm telling you, my girlfriend was almost to the state of hysteria.

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In fact, later on, we went to see the Sinai Emergency Room when I got home, when we got to our home here.

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When we got out of the car, we got even a better look at it.

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We saw that it was not a helicopter.

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And within, I'd say, seconds, it just went straight up in the air and as quickly as it appeared, that's how quickly it vanished.

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Okay.

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And anyway, we got back into the car and the car started and we got down to the coast highway.

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We came home to Los Angeles and my girlfriend was very, very shaken up.

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She's a nurse, I'm an accountant.

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We went to see the Sinai Emergency Room and we had broken up in blisters on the backs of our hands.

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My girlfriend, where she was wearing a necklace, you could see the mark where the necklace was.

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I wear glasses.

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You could see on my face the glass mark.

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And we have a very nauseous all night in diarrhea.

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Okay, was that like a bad sunburn?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Yes, it's like a bad sunburn, but it's weeping.

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They're weeping blisters.

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Okay.

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And I sure didn't have it.

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We didn't have this when we went out.

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But anyway, we did call the Malibu police when we got home and they said that three other people had called concerning similar incidents that evening.

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In the same area?

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In the same area, the Tanga Canyon area.

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There was an officer burned that I had spoken with.

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Okay.

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And we're going to go back to the doctor today at 2.30 so I can't stay too long and I don't want to get terribly involved with the...

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Even the doctor said I should...

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I could report this.

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I'm not prone to these far out situations, sir, but it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

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It was really quite frightening.

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Okay.

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That was your girlfriend at RN?

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Yes, she's a registered nurse.

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What time did that occur?

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It occurred, I would say approximately at 12.30 in the evening.

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That's this morning?

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Yes.

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My girlfriend works at the Wadsworth Veterans Hospital.

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Okay.

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What was the name of that Veterans Hospital?

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The Wadsworth Veterans Hospital.

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Okay.

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Do you have any estimate of the diameter of the object?

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It was about 50 feet in diameter.

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Okay.

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Now, do you remember the color of that cone of light?

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White.

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Okay.

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White was...

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But there was some blue around the edges.

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Okay, now when you were exposed to that beam of light, did you detect any change of temperature?

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No, but our skin tingled.

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Okay.

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It felt like there was a little electrical feeling in your skin.

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Okay.

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And then from a brief moment to tell you that neither of us even could remember what happened.

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It was almost as if we had blacked out.

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But you feel that that was a very short duration?

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I think so.

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I have no way of knowing.

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Okay.

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Did you detect any unusual odors at the time?

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Come to think of it, yeah.

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I would say like burnt cinnamon.

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Okay.

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Did you have any trouble restarting your car?

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At that point, I can't tell you the truth, I can't remember.

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Okay.

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I don't know.

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I think maybe...

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I think maybe a couple clicks have started.

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I can't remember.

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Okay.

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Have you seen any other problems with the car since you got home?

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No.

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Okay.

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Now, were there any other unusual physical traces with you or your lady friend?

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No.

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Okay.

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And how long do you feel this entire incident went on?

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I feel that it followed us for about 10 minutes.

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Okay.

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And then out of the car, maybe a minute or so.

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But when we were out of the cars, I kind of lost track of what was going on for a while.

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Okay.

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Do other people report things like this?

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Yes, sir.

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They sure have.

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They've been reporting them for years.

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Now, what was the name of the doctor you were going to?

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Well, we went to the Cedar Sanay Emergency Room and I don't recall the name of the doctor.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Because of my job, I really don't want to get very visible because when you talk about

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this to people, we are going to go see a psychiatrist.

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I mean, we weren't hallucinating.

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I didn't make this rash up.

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Yes.

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Okay, could I get your name?

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Sir, I don't want to give my name.

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Okay.

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So, what's the way we can kind of get back to you if we need more information?

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Well, what more information would you need?

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I'm going to go back to the doctors.

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I can't call you back.

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It's just that my wife, my girlfriend has a governmental job.

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All right.

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You've got to understand, this is such high-strangeness that people tend, if it gets out, they tend

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to look at you as if you're weird or something.

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I understand.

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Okay.

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What we'd like to do after you visit your doctor, if you feel like it, we'd like to hear what

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his diagnosis of the injuries is.

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What do they do with all this stuff?

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What do we do with it?

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Well, we compare it with other similar cases over the past years, which gives us a basis

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for determining the reality of what is going on.

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Is this something that the government is doing?

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No.

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No, this type of incident has occurred off and on throughout the United States and overseas

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for the last 40 years.

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I've read about things like this, but reading it is one thing, but when you see it firsthand,

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I don't know how to explain it.

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I don't know how to explain it.

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It can be very traumatic.

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And other people do call you?

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Oh, yes.

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We get ravaged about six calls or six reports a day right now, and that's very, very quiet.

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We cover all of North America.

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What is this thought to be?

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Well, there's, of course, three or four different theories.

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My own personal opinion is that these are objects coming in from outer space.

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I've been studying this subject for 36 years.